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now, here is one person whose opinion i do like listening to and he doesnt need any introductions :

Bill Gross investment outlook(Dec 2006):

http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2006/IO+December+2006.htm


its usually technical reading but i really like reading his stuff becasue after i finish i usually go something like "man I am stupid and there will always be people much smarter than me in the market"
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the latest dumb money craze among retail investors(1st it was gold last couple years and now they're playing in currencies):

http://www.marketwatch.com/new.....3872F%7D&siteId=
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Now we are going to see a surge in Currency Hedge funds...sweet!


Success is a State of Mind - - Tommy Bahama
Profits always take care of themselves but losses never do. The speculator has to insure himself against considerable losses by taking their first small loss.  - -  Jesse Livermore
The game of speculation is the most uniformly fascinating game in the world. But it is not a game for the stupid, the mentally lazy, the man of inferior emotional balance, nor for the get-rich-quick adventurer. They will die poor.  - -  Jesse Livermore
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MARK HULBERT
The revenge of the utilities
Commentary: Stocks may be boring, but average utility just hit new high
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By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:03 AM ET Dec 1, 2006


ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) -- Most Wall Street traders consider utility stocks to be downright boring.
For real excitement, and the chance to make some really big bucks, these traders think we need to search for new technologies and new companies.
Well, guess what.
Chart of $UTIL
This last week, the average utility stock hit a new all-time high, at least as judged by the Dow Jones Utility Average ($UTIL :
Dow Jones Utilities Average , are currently trading for less than half their all-time high.
Call it the revenge of the utilities.
It's worth pointing out the utilities' strength not just to remind us that they don't always live up to their stodgy stereotype.
Utility stocks are also worth paying attention to because they are thought to be a good leading indicator of the overall market.
Richard Russell, editor of Dow Theory Letters, has written that the Dow Jones Utility Average often hits its high well before the final high of the market as a whole.
If history lives up to this precedent, that would mean that there are more good times ahead for the overall stock market.
Norman Fosback, editor of Fosback's Fund Forecaster, and one of the founders in the 1970s of the Institute for Econometric Research, argues that it makes sense that utility stocks would be a decent leading indicator. In his book, "Stock Market Logic," Fosback wrote: "Utility stocks are so sensitive to interest rates that bond and money market developments are often reflected in the Dow Jones Utility Average long before they exert any influence on the stock market generally. For this reason, utility stocks are frequently a useful leading indicator of general market trends."
Fosback furthermore argues that the Dow Theory would improve its track record if its rules were revised to include the Dow Jones Utility Average. In fact, he thinks that its absence from the Dow Theory is due to nothing more than an historical accident: "Since the (Dow Jones) utility average was first calculated in 1929 the original inventor of the (Dow) theory did not have the average available for inclusion in his system."
Russell, for his part, has signaled no readiness on his part to rewrite the Dow Theory to include the Dow Jones Utility Average. He therefore continues to follow the Dow Theory in its traditional form, and focuses on just the Dow Jones Industrial averages. And on his reading of those two averages, he is very bearish on the stock market's primary trend.
Nevertheless, Russell conceded earlier this week that the new high for the Dow Jones Utility Average is "both bullish and impressive." End of Story
Mark Hulbert is the founder of Hulbert Financial Digest in Annandale, Va. He has been tracking the advice of more than 160 financial newsletters since 1980.
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http://personal.fidelity.com/myfidelity/atn/archives/december2005.shtml


10 Common Trading Errors       By Michael Sincere
Trading educators provide advice on how to avoid making costly mistakes.
The following image shows a trader in distress.Many novice and emerging stock traders charge full throttle into the markets with high profit expectations, but find out fairly quickly that making money consistently isn't as easy as they expected. For some, this realization can be quite discouraging, particularly because there are few pursuits that fuel human emotion as significantly as trading. The prospects of making money often lure people into the trading arena, but the reality of losing money can be a quick deterrent.
In truth, most professional Wall Street traders have made many trading mistakes, according to trading experts. The key to their eventual success, however, is that the professionals study their mistakes and learn how to minimize them going forward. "It's all right to make mistakes," admits Dr. Alexander Elder, psychiatrist and author of Come Into My Trading Room. He adds, "If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't learning. But it's absolutely unacceptable to repeat those mistakes."
Like most serious traders, Elder has made a significant number of errors in his trading career. "The wonderful thing about the stock market is that you always know when you're right or wrong. If you're losing money, then you've probably done something wrong. Eventually, if you learn not to repeat making the same errors, you'll start running out of them."
The following article takes a look at 10 of the most common mistakes made by active stock traders.
1. Little Preparation or Training
When you enter the market arena, you had better be prepared. However, few traders perform the necessary due diligence before moving headlong into the markets, says Robert Deel, CEO and trading strategist for Tradingschool.com. "If you are going to swim with the sharks, you better learn from the sharks," Deel suggests. "The market is a food chain — the big fish eat the little fish."
Deel says few books teach you everything you need to know about trading stocks, so he recommends stacking the odds in your favor by reading as many as possible. "You shouldn't underestimate the time, dedication, and commitment it takes to be a successful trader. You can't just walk into the market with a handful of money and expect to take money away from the professionals. If that's the case, you're gambling, not trading."
Dr. Elder agrees that many people underestimate what it takes to be a profitable trader. Not having the benefit of a business school education or on-the-job training with a financial firm, Elder says it took him a long time to become a successful trader. "I had to overcome a huge disadvantage — a formal education," he quips. Elder says that while a background in financial services would have been helpful for him, sometimes highly educated traders can tend to get too caught up in technical analysis. "The market doesn't always work that way," he says. "Markets have a high degree of volatility. How you function in an atmosphere of uncertainty can be much more valuable than the type of analysis you use."
Recommendation: Enter the market with a sufficient amount of training, through such vehicles as educational courses, industry trading conferences and books published on securities trading. Check out the latest Fidelity Active Trader Seminars and other events offered at more than 100 Fidelity Investor Centers.
2. Being Too Emotional About Money
According to professionals, the reason many emerging traders fail to consistently earn profits is because of their perceptions of money. Trading expert Deel says that he gives all of his students a psychological test when they come to class. On the test, students are required to describe — in one word — what money means to them. Nine times out of 10, the answers are "safety," "security" or "power," he says. "Too many traders get so emotionally involved in their trades, long or short," Deel points out. "If a trade goes against them, many feel they are losing safety. That's why they tend to react so emotionally."
Deel says that no one can properly prepare a trader for the emotional roller coaster of the stock market. "Many are afraid of being branded a loser," he says. "To keep from being wrong, many people often will let a stock go negative against them. Let's say they put a stop at 30. As it drops to 29, then 28, they sometimes decide to go against their original trading plan. To keep from selling at a loss, they suddenly decide to hold for the long term. That's often a painful error."
Dr. Elder agrees: "If you came into my trading room and sat across from me, you wouldn't know if I was making $10,000 that day or losing $10,000. I don't show that much emotion. I'm more concerned about the long-term outcomes of my trading. It's more appropriate to look at your account at the end of the month or year, as opposed to your daily results."
Fortunately, there are ways to desensitize one's emotional connection to money. Elder and Deel both suggest that by trading smaller share sizes, such as 100 shares per trade, emerging traders can teach themselves to be less emotionally charged. Trading in smaller quantities can help minimize both the losses and the emotional distress that often comes with losing larger amounts of capital. Over time, as a trader becomes more successful, experts suggest slowly raising the share size — without raising your blood pressure — until a personal comfort zone is reached.
Recommendation: One of the best ways to learn how to control your emotions while trading is to talk directly to the experts. By attending the Trader's Expo, held Feb. 18-21, 2006, in New York, you can network with thousands of sophisticated active traders. Each Trader's Expo, which is held three times per year, offers attendees in-depth, unbiased education, insights from prominent and respected trading pros, and an opportunity to examine, discuss and test-drive the myriad products available to today's active traders. Attendance at the Trader's Expo is free.
3. Lack of Recordkeeping
It's understandable why traders become emotional when trading stocks. Elder says: "When you make a trade, everything is going up or down. It can feel like you have no control over what is happening. By the very nature of buying and selling, total strangers are giving you money or taking away money, and that can be very stressful."
To help bring these emotions under your control, Elder recommends you keep a trading diary. "Every time you enter a trade, print out the chart and write down why you entered the trade, whether it was fundamental, technical, or a tip," Elder says. "I write the entry on the left side and my exit on the right side." He says the diary helps you achieve two goals. "The first is to make money. The second is to become a better trader. You might not succeed on the first goal, but you must absolutely succeed on the second goal. You should try to become a better trader after each trade."
Elder believes keeping good records is essential. "Show me a trader with good records and I will show you a good trader. Even if you're losing money little by little, you're learning from your mistakes. I believe money management and recordkeeping are even more important than technical analysis — and I'm a guy who wrote two books on technical analysis."
Recommendation: Track your trading history by using a daily diary and study your progress.
4. Anticipating Profits
Most traders don't want to acknowledge that a trade could turn against them. They enter the market assuming they'll be successful, refusing to look in the rearview mirror. It's also common for emerging traders to use a calculator to predict how much they'll make and how they'll spend the unrealized profits!
Deel thinks that it's dangerous to anticipate how much you'll make in advance. "Let the market tell you what you are going to make. Anytime you say 'I have to…' you're in for potential trouble. Remember: The market doesn't care about you."
He suggests that entering the market with a neutral attitude is a good approach. "My mantra: What is, is. If you're in an uptrend, go long. If you're in a downtrend, go short. If you're overbought, wait for a reversal and go short. If you are oversold, wait for a reversal and go long."
Recommendation: Enter a trade with the understanding that you may not be right. It can then be easier to acknowledge if a trade goes against you.
5. Blindly Following Mechanical Systems
A large percentage of traders use technology — in the form of online trading platforms that provide charting, research, and backtesting tools — to help them refine their strategies. A computer and software can provide important information about the technical and fundamental characteristics about stocks. However, many traders make the common mistake of relying too much on these tools without a full understanding of their capabilities.
"People think that the computer is a replacement for what is between the ears," Deel says. "They think the box is going to give them the answer. A lot of people gravitate toward mechanical trading systems that are supposed to take over the trading for them." He contends that if you don't know how these trading signals are generated, then you are using software to think for you. "When you give up thinking and analyzing," he says, "you are toast. If you are blindly following mechanical systems to buy and sell, it's likely that you're unsure of exactly what you're doing."
Recommendation: Understand that computers and software trading platforms are only tools. Learn how to grasp the underlying trading concepts — such as reading and analyzing a chart —and know the reasons why you bought and sold a security. For more information about technical and fundamental trading tools, check out the Fidelity-sponsored branch seminars offered at more than 100 Fidelity Investor Centers.
6. Not Learning How to Short
If you fail to learn how to utilize short trading strategies, then you have cut yourself out of a number of profitable trades, experts say. Many people think that shorting is un-American or too risky. However, by not learning know how to go short, you're putting up a roadblock to one of the potential trading avenues you have to earn profits, particularly during a declining market.
Deel is adamant about shorting. "I believe it's essential that traders learn how to short. It's one of my first rules: Thou Shall Learn How to Short. Because of fear or ignorance, many Americans never learn to short in their lifetime. They're afraid of unlimited risk. But shorting a stock is no more risky than going long." He cautions that traders need to be very disciplined when shorting. "You can't hang on. If the stock goes up, then you get out. It's that simple."
Dr. Elder concurs with Deel's view on shorting. "The market is a two-way street, and the person who doesn't short is missing a part of the game." Because stocks tend to go down faster than they tend to go up, Elder says that shorting may be best suited for short-term time frames. For emerging traders looking to learn how to short, Elder suggests that traders find a stock that they believe has poor prospects and sell short no more than 100 shares. Minimizing the size of a trade can help ease a trader into the strategy of shorting without incurring excessive risk.
Recommendation: Don't underestimate the importance of shorting stocks, and learn how to utilize this technique. For a general overview of shorting strategies, consider reading Reminiscences of a Stock Operator by Edwin Lefevre (John Wiley & Sons, 1994). This book chronicles the life of one of the world's greatest traders, Jesse Livermore, an infamous short seller.
Editor's note: Margin trading entails greater risk and is not suitable for all investors. Please assess your financial circumstances and risk tolerance prior to trading on margin.
7. Lack of Specialization
Many people are attracted to trading because they think it's an easy vehicle for making money. However, there are several types of securities that can be traded in today's markets, including stocks, options, commodities, futures, and currencies. For emerging traders, it can seem like a daunting task to learn the characteristics of each security type. Therefore, it's often helpful to specialize. "When emerging traders don't initially specialize in some segment of the markets," Elder says, "they could be susceptible to over-engaging in whatever hot market segment comes along. Successful trading takes time, so it's quite helpful to be dedicated and committed to a particular category."
Most trading experts suggest that if you want to trade successfully, you need an edge. What do you know that will give you some degree of conviction? "If you don't know the answer to this question," he continues, "then you have no business trading. My answer: I know a few things about technical analysis because I wrote a few books on it. I can analyze charts with some degree of depth. I've been trained to recognize what is real and what is fantasy. And I'm extremely disciplined."
Recommendation: Know what you trade. Don't spread yourself too thin by trading markets that you don't understand. For a better understanding of investing in stocks, bonds and options, familiarize yourself with Fidelity's research tools.
8. Improper Timing
It's very common for emerging traders to make timing mistakes. Quite often, a trader may have a good idea, but discovers that he or she bought the stock at an inopportune price. Timing a trade is never an exact science, but it's important for traders to recognize that there are times when it might be prudent to lock in a profit or cut a loss.
"Smart people get in too early and beginners get in too late," Elder says. "If you wait long enough, a stock may start to look like a good idea, but by then it's often too late." To illustrate this point, Elder said Google (GOOG) seemed like it would have been a good short when it's share price recently dropped from 300 to 276, but the move had already been made. Waiting until a chart pattern has been fully established can often result in a missed opportunity.
According to Deel, smart traders should not look for just overbought or oversold conditions, but extreme overbought and oversold conditions. Taking advantage of extremes could help traders better manage their portfolio risk. However, there are no guarantees that the current trend for a stock in an extreme situation won't continue.
In identifying trading opportunities, Deel uses a one-year time frame because there are a lot of data points. He is very conscious about timing his entry and exit points. "It's those movements up and down that make money. I want to feel positive about a stock three days after I bought it. If not, something is wrong."
Recommendation: A detailed trading diary and experience could help minimize timing errors. In addition, you can learn to use Wealth-Lab Pro™, a Fidelity backtesting platform for active traders. This technical trading tool is designed to help traders test trading theories and refine their strategies using historical market data.1
9. Placing Improper Stops
Many traders incorrectly place stop orders, causing their positions to get stopped out too early and failing to capture much profit. It's common for emerging traders to place stops according to a set percentage, such as 2%, or a set amount. How much a trader is willing to lose depends on his or her risk-tolerance.
Deel says that many traders have been given incorrect advice on placing stops. "You place stops according to what the market is telling you, such as support and resistance levels," he says, "not according to profit goals. The market doesn't care how much money you need to make." Deel says that early in his career, he was constantly stopped out early, roughly 60% of the time in his estimation. "What I discovered was the market tends to move within a certain range under normal circumstances."
Today, Deel no longer places stops according to a percentage amount or how much money he is willing to lose. "Now, when I place a stop, I let the stock's behavior, or standard deviation, tell me where the best stop placements are. When I let the stock tell me where to place the stop, I get stopped out only about 20% of the time."
Standard deviation is simply a range, both high and low, of a stock's normal volatility based on a certain time period. Deel typically places three different stops using standard deviations. "Every stock has a specific standard deviation," he says. "It's as different as a fingerprint." You can find the standard deviation by using Bollinger Bands, which give you stop losses and an upside price projection. Using Bollinger Bands, the stock price should be within the upper and lower ranges. "Ninety-five percent of all price activity falls within two standard deviations," he says. He plots Bollinger Bands using an exponential calculation, rather than simple. "You can determine a stock's high and low ranges and what it can move based on standard deviation and probabilities."2
Recommendation: Try placing stops according to the stock's standard deviation, rather than on the basis of percentages or dollar amounts. Call 1-800-503-3407 to speak to a Fidelity Active Trader Services representative about placing stop orders.3
10. Not Calculating a Stock's Risk-Reward Ratio
Many traders do not calculate the risk-reward ratio of a stock trade before they establish a position. A stock's risk-reward ratio is the relationship between an investor's desire for capital preservation at one end of the scale and a desire to maximize returns at the other end.
How do you determine a stock's risk-reward profile? Through experience, traders tend to find their own comfort level for determining this ratio — there is no magic number. There are three common components of a stock's risk-reward ratio: current stock price (a known); and a profit objective and stop exit price (both subjective). Calculating a profit objective and a stop exit for a trade often involves many factors, such as standard deviation or technical indicators, including Fibonnaci and moving averages.4
Deel looks for trades that give him what he believes is at least a 2.5 times greater reward (gain) than the possible risk (loss). At a minimum, if he calculates that he could lose more than $1,000 versus a $2,500 gain, he won't make the trade. For Deel, 2.5:1 is his risk-reward ratio. But once again, that number is an arbitrary one that works well for Deel. A stock's risk-reward ratio can be different for each trader based on personal preference or the particular type of trade being considered.
"Every stock is a turkey until proven otherwise," he says. "This is part of the screening process of a stock." Deel says he's very picky about the trades he makes. "I've sat by great traders who see a perfect setup but not the risk-reward. They get in, and it reverses. If I'm going to risk a dollar on a stock, I want to estimate that I can make $2.50 or more before I make the trade. Otherwise, I move on to the next stock."
Recommendation: Before you enter a trade, the first question you should ask yourself is: What is the risk-reward ratio of trading this stock? If you are a novice trader, using a low risk-reward ratio could help lower your potential downside.
Bottom Line
It's common to hear about the victories people have trading stocks, but you rarely hear about the losses. As a result, it's easy for emerging traders to get lulled into thinking that successful trading involves little more than knowing the ticker symbol of the latest idea from your neighbor, coworker or poker buddy. Most Wall Street experts recognize that trading is a complicated and challenging business requiring an ongoing commitment. As a child, you didn't learn to ride your bike without taking a few falls. You didn't learn to catch a baseball without dropping the ball at least a few dozen times. And you didn't master your profession without making several mistakes along the way.
It's no different trading stocks. Most successful traders are constantly studying their craft, looking for an additional edge that may help them make more-informed decisions.
Understanding that mistakes are part of the process and learning to reduce them could help you develop a more disciplined, consistent approach to trading.
(Michael Sincere is the author of four books, including his latest, "Understanding Stocks.")
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The Trader's Checklist.

http://www.thekirkreport.com/2006/11/trading_journal.html

Trading Journal Checklist

127Almost every trader I know who has been doing this for awhile has learned the importance of keeping a trading journal. While all traders approach it differently, the key is to have some way to measure, track, and stay focused on improving your performance.

In his column "The Write Stuff" at Trader Monthly, Doug Hirschhorn recommends that trader adopt a 15-point template to making the most of our trading journal and I think you'll find these points helpful as a starting point:

1. Establish your trading rules for the day. For example, if you've been struggling lately, you might establish a rule that you'll take 50% off your winners on the first hint of a pullback.

2. Identify the major world events that are currently in play.

3. Figure out which economic numbers are in play today.

4. Create a motto for the day. Keep it brief and positive.

5. Develop your morning game plan (be sure to do so before the open).

6. Evaluate your morning game plan (how did things really play out? How did you react? Did you stick to or stray from your game plan, and why?)

7. Prepare an afternoon game plan (create it over lunch, say, before the afternoon session begins).

8. Evaluate your afternoon game plan. A quick retooling of strategy could pay off in the second half.

9. Ask yourself: What did I do well today? What could I have done better? Use this step to dig deep and engage in some genuinely tough self-analysis.

10. List all your trades that appear to be working and all those that aren't.

11. Call the market -- is it range-bound? Trending? Which sectors are in play?

12. Determine for yourself: On a scale of 1 (low) to 10 (high), your level of focus and concentration for the day.

13. Your daily question: Am I a better trader today than I was yesterday? If so, why? In other words, what exactly have I learned? A day without learning is a wasted day in a trader's career.

14. Which trades should I pay attention to tomorrow?

15. My goal for tomorrow is?

Without any doubt, the kind of checklist Doug has developed is focused on the short-term trader and I think these are good starting points. I also think that having a journal is appropriate and useful even for those of you with much longer time-frames. For example, if you're more an intermediate to long-term investor, you'll need to extend the time frames on just about every one of these checklist items. For example, instead of developing a daily game plan, you'll want to create a monthly or quarterly plan instead and so on.

The point is that if you integrate and customize some of these checklist items into your daily routine I think that you'll certainly have a much better understanding of how you're really performing and be in the position to improve that performance. It takes time and effort at the beginning to get a trading journal, but you'll find after awhile that it will become habit and you'll actually enjoy the work you put into it.
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Time's cover story is all about psychology. A good read...even though it is Time.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1562978,00.html
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For those interested: http://jesselivermore.com/pics/pics_pg1.html.  

I walk by where Livermore used to work here in Boston every day.  Don't ask me why, but I Googled his images this morning and came up with these, among others.  Just wasting time.    
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File under: "All is Vanity"

In 1923, seven men who had made it to the top of the financial success pyramid met together at the Edgewater Hotel in Chicago. Collectively, they controlled more wealth than the entire Untied States Treasury, and for years the media had held them up as examples of success.

Who were they? Charles Schwab, president of the world's largest steel company; Arthur Cutten, the greatest wheat speculator of his day; Richard Whitney, president of the New York Stock Exchange; Albert Fall, a member of the President's Cabinet; Jesse Livermore, the greatest bear on Wall Street; Leon Fraser, president of the International Bank of Settlement; and Ivan Kruegger, the head of the world's largest monopoly.

What happened to them? Schwab and Cutten both died broke; Whitney spent years of his life in Sing Sing penitentiary; Fall also spent years in prison, but was released so he could die at home; and the others- Livermore, Fraser, and Kruegger, committed suicide.
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File under: "All is Vanity"

In 1923, seven men who had made it to the top of the financial success pyramid met together at the Edgewater Hotel in Chicago. Collectively, they controlled more wealth than the entire Untied States Treasury, and for years the media had held them up as examples of success.

Who were they? Charles Schwab, president of the world's largest steel company; Arthur Cutten, the greatest wheat speculator of his day; Richard Whitney, president of the New York Stock Exchange; Albert Fall, a member of the President's Cabinet; Jesse Livermore, the greatest bear on Wall Street; Leon Fraser, president of the International Bank of Settlement; and Ivan Kruegger, the head of the world's largest monopoly.

What happened to them? Schwab and Cutten both died broke; Whitney spent years of his life in Sing Sing penitentiary; Fall also spent years in prison, but was released so he could die at home; and the others- Livermore, Fraser, and Kruegger, committed suicide.



that was at beginning of Livermore autobio.
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For those interested: http://jesselivermore.com/pics/pics_pg1.html.  

I walk by where Livermore used to work here in Boston every day.  Don't ask me why, but I Googled his images this morning and came up with these, among others.  Just wasting time.    


kind of sad that smitten rides on the coattails of Livermore so much.....i cant believe he also has a livermore website....but i guess someone else would if he didnt
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very sad...he keeps writing books on him too


Success is a State of Mind - - Tommy Bahama
Profits always take care of themselves but losses never do. The speculator has to insure himself against considerable losses by taking their first small loss.  - -  Jesse Livermore
The game of speculation is the most uniformly fascinating game in the world. But it is not a game for the stupid, the mentally lazy, the man of inferior emotional balance, nor for the get-rich-quick adventurer. They will die poor.  - -  Jesse Livermore
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Livermore reminds me of Hemingway, in a way: a self-made guy that self-destructs.  And, like Hemingway, Livermore seems to have those who've make a career out of exploiting his name too.        
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no i wasnt on Gamblers Anonymous website, i dont gamble....I pulled this off a investment site (this one is for Josh)

TWENTY QUESTIONS from the GA website:

1. Did you ever lose time from work or school due to gambling?
2. Has gambling ever made your home life unhappy?
3. Did gambling affect your reputation?
4. Have you ever felt remorse after gambling?
5. Did you ever gamble to get money with which to pay debts or
otherwise solve financial difficulties?
6. Did gambling cause a decrease in your ambition or efficiency?
7. After losing did you feel you must return as soon as possible
and win back your losses?
8. After a win did you have a strong urge to return and win more?
9. Did you often gamble until your last dollar was gone?
10. Did you ever borrow to finance your gambling?
11. Have you ever sold anything to finance gambling?
12. Were you reluctant to use "gambling money" for normal expenditures?
13. Did gambling make you careless of the welfare of yourself or
your family?
14. Did you ever gamble longer than you had planned?
15. Have you ever gambled to escape worry or trouble?
16. Have you ever committed, or considered committing, an illegal
act to finance gambling?
17. Did gambling cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
18. Do arguments, disappointments or frustrations create within you
an urge to gamble?
19. Did you ever have an urge to celebrate any good fortune by a few
hours of gambling?
20. Have you ever considered self destruction or suicide as a result
of your gambling?

Most compulsive gamblers will answer yes to at least seven of these
questions.
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